Ravaging Times

September 20, 2017

chapter 487 (magazine syndication, not final)

Filed under: Ravages of Time — Tags: — merc @ 10:34 am

{flag reads: Sun}

[?]: I don’t see guards in the city. Only aging civilians.
(“…old [and] weak civilians”)
[?]: The main walls have all been damaged. It’ll take time to repair them.

[?]: This has always been Cao Cao’s stalling tactic.

[?]: It’s done. We can now enter the city.

chapter 487 The Strongest Units

[?]: Advance the frontline by one city!

[?]: Let the enginnering unit get to work!

[?]: We’re handing this over to you, General Zhu!
{Sun Quan’s General-in-Chief, Zhu Zhi}
[Zhu Zhi]: Okay.

In year 209, Zhou Yu’s army conquered over half of the Jing Province after Cao Cao’s rout from Red Cliff, while Sun Quan marched on Hefei to wear down Cao Cao’s defenders.

Due to having to deal with constant mutinies in the north, Cao Cao could not spare resources to aid the southern campaign. Cao Ren, trapped in this predicament, focused his forces to defend the northern part of Jing.

[?]: General Zhu will remain, leaving only five more troops to continue the march northward.
[?]: The two supply troops from the southeast will finish unloading very soon.
[?]: Sir!

[?]: Chief Controller, the enemy forces attacking Yiling have not withdrawn, but have been growing in size instead!

[?]: It’s a wise move to abandon the main city and attack Yiling.

{Sun Quan’s General-in-Chief, Lü Meng}
[Zhou Yu]: Yiling is a route for the supply line into the western Chuan region.

[?]: Our long-term plan can’t take shape if we lose Yiling.
(top bubble)
[?]: Cao Cao has already seen through this.

[?]: By transfering the troop from the Nan Commandery to Yiling, the difficulty there will worsen.
(not sure)

[ZY]: What’s your thought on this, General Lü?

[Lü Meng]: Our troop morale is too hot to be wasted.

[ZY]: Guan Yu of Liu Bei’s army is just south of here. Aren’t you afraid of a trap?

[LM]: No worries. I never considered him a threat.

[ZY]: Fine.

[ZY]: Then let’s press on in one go!

[ZY]: Mobilize! Follow Lü Meng and I to rescue Yiling!
[?]: Yessir!

[?]: Still no news, Chief Controller.
[ZY]: At this speed, they must be cavalry.

[?]: But… we’ve never known Liu Bei to have this unit?

[ZY]: Don’t worry. This unit is small.

[ZY]: It can’t make elaborate plays.

Next day, Cao Cao’s forces from the Nan Commandery began to attack Yiling.

{flag reads: Cao}
[?]: My, my. They’ve held on for seven rounds.

[?]: Brothers, with reinforcements our strength just increased.
[?]: How could we live this down if we can’t take Yiling?

[?]: Sir! Zhou Yu’s reinforcement is mobilizing!

[Su Yong]: They’re here, big brother. Are you confident about this?
{Cao Ren’s subordinate, Su Yong}
{Cao Ren’s subordinate, Lu Heng}
[Lu Heng]: Fear not, their main force is small.

[LH]: Not to mention our Lord has just sent us a strong unit.

[LH]: They will definitely revitalize our morale!

[?]: Just wait and see.


[?]: There are too many of them, master Gan, we won’t last much longer!

[Gan Ning]: Still no reinforcements?

[?]: Sir! They’ve occupied the grounds ahead of us.

[?]: There is a cavalry unit that bypassed our defense!

[GN]: Our arrows are used up after so many rounds.


[?]: All right! One more time. Kill them all!

[?]: But, this… this unit is different!


[?]: This horse!

[?]: Leaps so far!

[?]: Impossible! They jumped over!

[?]: Sir! They’ve taken the breach!
(“report! crevase lost defense”)

[?]: Pull back to assist the next crevase.
[?]: We can’t let them break through!

This kind of gear…

The armor is thick but light.

Vine hook?

[GN]: Focus on the walls!
[GN]: Hurry! To the lowest points of the walls!

[?]: Are you afraid the cavalry will siege the city?

[?]: This method of attack, could it be… Gao Shun’s unit back in Lü Bu’s army?

[GN]: No, they’re more powerful,

[GN]: and more renowned…

Cao Cao’s Tiger And Leopard Cavalry!

{leader of the Tiger And Leopard Cavalry, Cao Chun}
[Cao Chun]: The broken wall ahead, six meters or so.

[?]: Go!


[?]: Swing!

[?]: They… they’re up!


{sfx: zing. zing}

[?]: They… they used the momentum of their horses to scale the walls!

[?]: The vanguards shall block Gan Ning’s troop!
[?]: The main force shall scale the walls and attack the gate to our right!

{sfx: pa}


[?]: By General’s orders, full stop!

[?]: Why are we stopping, boss?

[CC]: Left side.

[?]: The ruins?
(“that abandoned city”)

{sfx: shoo~}


[CC]: Tiger and Leopard Cavalry.

[CC]: Cao Chun.
(a smoother translation would be to switch these two phrases, “Cao Chun, of the Tiger and Leopard Cavalry.” But the bubble size is limited)

[Chen Dao]: White Feather Unit.

[CD]: Chen Dao!

magazine-release-only teaser: “Next chapter: Desperados of the Sima clan”


August 31, 2017

Replay: Battle of Red Cliff in “The Ravages of Time”

Filed under: Ravages of Time — Tags: , , , — merc @ 9:15 pm

original post by 523025473 (王振宁)

Phase 1: Jia Xu’s main strategy

A. The main encampment on the north shore and over the water: Wen Ping vs. Jiang Qin

1. Wen Ping commanded the Wall of Warships to block Jiang Qin’s fire ships.
2. Jiang Qin’s fire attack failed. His troops submerged into the river.
3. Wen Ping ordered a pursuit by small boats.

B. Side flanks of the main encampment on the north shore: Xiahou Yuan, Yue Jin, Yu Jin and Han Hao vs. Lü Meng

1. Cao Pi ordered the burning of an empty camp to lure the Sun naval forces onto shore.
2. Lü Meng’s troop landed, but his retreat route was cut off by Xiahou Yuan, and he was then surrounded Yue Jin, Yu Jin and Han Hao. Lü Meng fought to break through.

C. Haihun at the south shore: Jia Xu and Xun You vs. Lu Xun and Zhou Yu

1. Lu Xun saw that Red Cliff was on fire, so he prepared to circle around to Haihun to take it first, then attack Cao Ren from behind.
2. Jia Xu released Kan Ze’s “corpse”. Lu Xun’s fleet saw the body and realized the enemy has seen through their strategy, so they started to slow down the ships.
3. Jia Xu used catapults to bombard Lu Xun’s fleet just as Xun You’s fleet cut off Lu Xun’s retreat.
4. Lu Xun was forced to make an emergency landing and was attacked by Jia Xun’s main force laying in wait in the woods. Lu Xun’s troops were forced to start swimming.
5. Zhou Yu’s fleet came to rescue Lu Xun and had to engage Xun You’s fleet.

D. Yuzhang at the south shore: Cao Ren, Zhang Liao, and Xu Huang vs. Gan Ning and Cheng Pu

1. Cao Ren had superior numbers, but the Sun army fought back hard.
2. Cheng Pu’s troop pulled out, letting Cao Ren and Xu Huang enter the city.
3. Zhang Liao fought Gan Ning one-on-one.

E. Wulin’s rations depot at the north shore: Xu Chu and Xu Ding vs. Zhao Yun

1. Sima Yi used the real Kan Ze to trade back Hua Tuo from Liu Bei, then told Zhuge Liang that the rations depot is located at Wulin.
2. Zhao Yun infiltrated the Cao army, stole a command token, obtained the secret code for the checkpoints, then prepared to attack Wulin.
3. Xu Chu and Xu Ding laid an ambush in Wulin to take out the man who killed their father.

Phase 2: Zhou Yu’s main strategy

A. The main encampment at the north shore: secret infiltration

1. Huang Gai successfully escaped.
2. Jiang Qin’s troop reached the shore in the dark, then changed into Cao army uniforms to prepare their attack on Wulin.

B. Haihun at the south shore: burning Jia Xu

1. Zhou Yu pretended to be routed, and Xun You gave chase.
2. Zhou Yu retreated to a wider part of the stream and split up his fleet in half. Xun You divided his fleet into three units to pusue each half.
3. Zhou Yu set ablaze the hidden supply ships behind the warships, then let the tailwind and the wide stream carry the burning ships through gaps in Xun You’s blockade- targetting Jia Xu’s troops in Haihun’s shoreside woods.
4. Jia Xu’s troops were smoked out of hiding, and when Lu Xun’s troops swam back to shore to fight them, they were stuck.
5. Xun You used half of his fleet to rescue Jia Xu’s troop (the remainder ships should then be defeated by Zhou Yu), then joined Wen Ping’s troop in the retreat, until they meet up with Zhu Ling’s reinforcement.
6. Zhou Yu took full control of the battlefield on the river.

C. Yuzhang at the south shore: counter-siege

1. Han Dang, Zhu Zhi and Ling Tong’s twenty-thousand reinforcement troop counter-attacks Yuzhang. The Cao army had more men but they were running out of stamina. Plus the damaged city wall of Yuzhang made it too weak to defend with.
2. Cao Cao’s reinforcement (possibly led by Li Dian) was blocked (possibly by Cheng Pu).
3. Cao Ren had no choice but to withdraw from Yuzhang, and when he received news from Jia Xu along the way, he directed his troop to retreat to Jiangling.

D. Wulin’s rations depot and the side flanks of the main encampment at the north shore: full counter-strike

1. Xu Chu and Xu Ding were lured away by Zhao Yun. Jiang Qin’s troop then infiltrated the Wulin camp to burn the rations.
2. The news of Wulin on fire spread, and various troops (Yu Jin, Yue Jin) of the Cao army began to retreat.
3. Lü Meng’s army began to counter-attack. With the aid of easterly wind his troop set fire to the woods, forcing the Cao army to take the Huarong path.
4. Reinforcements under Sun Quan’s command landed at Red Cliff to pursue Cao Cao.

E. Huarong Path: cannon fodder Liu Bei

1. Prior to the battle, [Zhou Yu] allowed Zhuge Jin to release Zhuge Liang prior to the battle.
2. During the battle, [Zhou Yu] allowed Liu Bei to go to Red Cliff so that he and Cao Cao can wear each other down.

Phase 3: Zuo Ci’s main strategy

A. Collude with Sima Yi
He joined the Cao army through Sima Yi and was responsible for predicting the weather.

B. Use Kan Ze
He pretended to see through Kan Ze’s lies in order to win Cao Cao’s trust. But he secretly made a realistic corpse of Kan Ze so that he could release the real person.

C. Kill all the physicians in the army
Many of Cao Cao’s men were infected by the plague. Zuo Ci then killed all the army doctors during the chaotic retreat.

D. Assassinate Cao Cao

1. Cao Cao became sick from the plague but could not find a doctor. Zuo Ci then offered his service.
2. Zuo Ci used hallucinogenic incense to cause Cao Hong and the other officers to see things, while he prepared to strangle Cao Cao.

E. Four troops to attack the Xu capital
Zuo Ci assigned four disciples prior to the battle to infiltrate four troops made of Yuan Shao’s surrendered soldiers. They planned to cause trouble when they arrive at the capital to receive supplies.

Phase 4: Zhuge Liang’s main strategy

A. Wulin’s rations depot at the north shore: Liu Bei, Zhang Fei and Zhao Yun vs. Xu Chu and Xu Ding

1. Liu Bei and Zhang Fei came to Zhao Yun’s aid and fended off the Xu brothers.
2. Liu Bei’s army headed to Huarong Path to aid Guan Yu.

B. Huarong Path: Zhuge Liang, Guan Yu and Guan Ping vs. Cao Cao, Sima Yi, Cao Hong and CHeng Yu

1. [Zhuge Liang] predicted the snow storm that cycled once every eleven years, so he distributed the rain boots, invented by Liu Bei, ahead of time.
2. He predicted that the Cao army will retreat through the Huarong Path, so he led Guan Yu’s troop to occupy the peaks of Mount Huarong that overlooked the exit.
3. He predicted that Zhou Yu’s army dare not pursue Cao Cao into the Huarong Path after the rain.
4. He predicted that many of Cao Cao’s men will surrender because of the cold and the hunger.

C. Diving the world in three

1. Find an excuse to let Cao Cao escape and abandon Liu Xie.
2. While Zhou Yu wages war on Jiangling, march south to conquer the four Commanderies in the Province of Jing.
3. Invade Shu from Jing to realize the tripartite.

Phase 5: Zhou Yu’s contingency plan

A. Completely abandon the pursuit and direct their momentum toward Jiangling.

B. At the same time, send a force (Lü Meng?) to take Yiling and apply pressure on the Province of Yi.

C. Use Jiangling as the base to attack the three commanderies in the Province of Jing.

D. Use Yiling as the base to invade the Shu territory and unify the southern region, such that he and Zhuge Liang each take half of the world.

E. Defeat Zhuge Liang, who would have taken on the ill reputation of controlling the Emperor [after Cao Cao’s death], as well as the man who would be worn down by the attempt to unify the northern region.
<font color=”#999999″>(at first I thought it was a typo to say Zhuge Liang, but <a href=”https://zhuanlan.zhihu.com/p/28642254″>he clarified that he thinks Zhou Yu would expect Zhuge Liang to follow in Cao Cao’s footstep</a>)</font>

Phase 6: Guo Jia’s contingency plan

A. Zhu Ling

1. Assigned Zhu Ling to take a fleet to aid Xun You’s troop.
2. Sail to the rear of Huarong Path to save Cao Cao by surrounding Liu Bei’s main force.

B. Yang Xiu
Assigned Yang Xiu to frame Xun Yu.

C. Sima Yi
Allowed Sima Yi to take full control of army redeployment.

Phase 7: Jia Xu’s contingency plan

A. Rush to control Jiangling

1. Let part of his troops go with Xun You but ordered the rest to defend Jiangling.
2. Notify Cao Ren to regroup at Jiangling.
3. Convince Cao Ren to give up trying to save Cao Cao and go defend Yiling instead, while he himself would dig in at Jiangling.

B. Conserve his full strength and support Cao Pi

Phase 8: Sima Yi’s main strategy

A. Use Zuo Ci

1. Pretended to help Zuo Ci oppose Cao Cao and betray his teacher Kan Ze.
2. Gave Zuo Ci’s fake intel of insiders to Xun Yu, luring the latter to capture the wrong people and cause delays in operation. (speculation)
3. Gave real intel of insiders to Yang Xiu so as to use Cao Zhi’s influence to oppress Xun Yu. (speculation)
4. Killed Zuo Ci to rescue Cao Cao at the key moment, thus winning the trust of Cao Hong and the rest.

B. Trade back Hua Tuo

1. Save the real Kan Ze to trade back Hua Tuo from Liu Bei’s house-arrest.
2. Let Hua Tuo save Cao Cao after killing Zuo Ci.

C. Handshake with the Crouching Dragon

1. He knew Zhu Ling and Xun You’s fleet will use the rising water to surround Liu Bei from behind Guan Yu’s troop.
2. Pointed out the real goal behind Zhuge Liang’s tripartite, and agreed to support each other.
3. Retreated along with Zhu Ling and Xun You. Won Xiahou Dun’s trust after meeting up with him.

battle's initial deployment

battle’s initial deployment

fighting starts

fighting starts

ending stage of battle

battle deployment near the end

Addeundum: Differences with real geography

1. Red Cliff is on the south side of the river, not north
Chapter 414 stated that Cao Ren, Zhang Liao and Li Dian were on the other shore. Chapter 417 stated that Jia Xu was on the other shore. In the easterly wind, Lü Meng’s westward fleet landed from the starboard side while Lu Xun’s westward fleet looked at Red Cliff on their right. Hence both Red Cliff and Wulin must be on the north side of the Long River. But in reality, Red Cliff and Wulin faced across from each other, on the south and north side of the Long River, respectively.

2. Lu Xun couldn’t see the fire at Red Cliff when he’s at Haihun
In Chapter 414, Lu Xun saw the flames at Red Cliff as he prepared to sail past it and land at Haihun to attack Cao Ren from behind. But the distance between Haihun and Red Cliff is over two hundred kilometers, and Haihun is directly south of Sun Quan’s main camp at Chaisang. Therefore Lu Xun couldn’t land at Haihun by ships, nor could he see the fires at Red Cliff.

3. Jia Xu and Cao Ren couldn’t reach Jiangling
Jia Xu went to Jiangling right after being smoked out of Haihun by Zhou Yu. Cao Ren headed there too after his withdraw, then Jia Xu sent him to Yiling. But both Jiangling and Yiling are located north of the Long River, while Jia Xu and Cao Ren are on the south shore. Without ships to cross the river, it was impossible for them to reach Jiangling and Yiling.

4. Cao Pi and Yue Jin couldn’t reach Xiangyang
In chapter 414, Cao Pi was commanding troops at Red Cliff, then he withdrew to Xiangyang once the rain started pouring. In chapter 432, Yue Jin was in charge of defending the entrance of Huarong Path during Cao Cao’s retreat. In chapter 438, both Cao Pi and Yue Jin are in Xiangyang. In reality, a straight line between Wulin and Xiangyang would be over two hundred and seventy kilometers long, while one between Huarong and Xiangyang would be over two hundred and fifty kilometers long. It’s impossible for them to get there with the mobility of a routed Cao army at the time.

===== mini rant by the same poster =====

Who was key to the success of Zhou Yu’s plan? It’s Jiang Qin.
Prior to Zhou Yu’s landing, the only troops at the north shore belonged to Lü Meng (as bait) and Jiang Qin (to burn the rations).
Even if Lü Meng couldn’t last until Jiang Qin succeeds, as long as Wulin is set on fire, Cao Cao’s troops at the north shore would still retreat and allow Zhou Yu and Sun Quan’s troops to land.
But if Jiang Qin failed, Lü Meng’s troop would have been useless. His ships were cut off by Xiahou Yuan, so he couldn’t return to the water. His troop would be wrapped up like a dumpling by Yue Jin, Yu Jin and Han Hao, or be scattered and has to flee to Jiangxia or something. Even if Zhou Yu reclaims Haihun from Xun You and Jia Xu, and that Ling Tong and Han Dang secure Yuzhang from Cao Ren, it would have been a stalemate. The region north of the river would still be under Cao Cao’s total control, while the Sun army controls the rest, maintaining more or less the same power dynamic as prior to the battle.
And then Zhou Yu proceeded with his contingency plan to wipe out the straggling forces of Jia Xu, Cao Ren, Zhang Liao and Xu Huang at the south shore. And Cao Cao spared no effort to rescue his troops in the southeast.

Based on the plot of the comic, Jiang Qin succeeded because of three points.

One, Chen Mou hid the story design that the people of the southeast are skilled divers.

Two, Chen Mou nerfed the Cao army.

Three, he forgot about Zhang He.

The first point is kind of cheap/stingy, but it didn’t exceed the readers’ common expectation of a pleasant surprise. He foreshadowed Jiang Qin’s divers with Lu Xun’s divers and Huang Gai. So the reveal of Jiang Qin’s diving troop didn’t feel too sudden.

But point two and three feel overpowered/broken/preordained (?).
<font color=”#999999″>(I don’t understand 钦定 in this context)</font>
So Cao Cao knew Wulin’s position has been leaked, yet he still only assigned the Xu brothers to lay an ambush for Liu Bei’s troop. Xu Chu was good at melee while Xu Ding was good at surprise attacks; neither was commander material. Several of Cao Cao’s troops in the comic had unclear movements, like Cao Chun (appeared during the pre-battle meeting), Cao Hong (followed Cao Cao in the Huarong Path), and Xiahou Dun (went searching for Cao Cao in the hills). There was no explanation of their movement in the start of the battle. They didn’t appear in the siege against Lü Meng, nor anywhere else. Were they eating barbeque the whole time?

Cao Cao would use Yuan Shao’s surrendered troops as his reinforcements when he had Zhang He, Gao Lan and Zang Ba at his disposal. Other than Gao Lan, the historical record did include accounts of Zhang He and Zang Ba’s achievements after they submited to Cao Cao, who came to trust them. The historial records didn’t mention Zhang He, Gao Lan and Zang Ba at Red Cliff, but neither did it say they weren’t there. And since you’re a comic, there’s no need to make every detail historically accurate. Not to mention “The Romance of the Three Kingdoms” already put Zhang He at Red Cliff. Had the commander of the reinforcements been Zhang He, Gao Lan or Zang Ba, Xun Yu would never have suspected them and ordered the wrong people in Cao Pi’s faction to be arrested, tripping over his own foot.

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